Roleplay Feedback
1. What's your player name? Rickard Wilde
2. Do you know any names of LSSD members involved in your situation? 0437 identified officer in charge, 20596 detained and frisked, 8543 searched bike, 17191 Commander Olson, Sergeant Hunter
3. When did this situation occur? 09/OCT/2010-2130
4. Can you list down at least three good or bad things from our side in this situation?
- Sergeant Hunter did well, interacted well, and had great /dos - Junior officers were just doing what they were told, many of them are good roleplayers that arent allowed to interact with us due to their leadership scolding them for doing so. It has damaged friendships in many cases how interactions with us result in reprimands often based on lies/prejudice.
- A blanket stop and search for Blaine County along Joshua Road East and South, and a roadblock of the West bridge. All people passing were searched and individuals, no probable cause given, no ability for any involved officers to cite why. Commander Olson literally said; 'We dont need a reason to stop and search people.' I'm not certain any of the players have a passing familiarity with US or LA law.
- Total lack of RP, there is zero chance an action like this would fly in the US or Canada, or their GTA equivalents, it was hard enough to do at KAF in a warzone. Officers involved did not interact save to take IDs, pop out a dog cosmetic who did an 'air sniff', then the officers 'oocly' proceeded to search everything inside the vehicles and persons and make arrests if they oocly found something that would not give scents like unfired ammunition. This isnt RP, there was no interaction. It isnt fun to deal with an abuse of power and rights so wildly unrealistic as a dog walked around a car smelling the unfired gun in the closed boot of a vehicle, inside of a suitcase. There's a closer scent if you've got a dog that magical, and its on the hip of the officer and every other officer milling around. The criteria for search and seizure is not followed, blanket search of a County is wild powergaming.
- People did their best to comply and RP amongst themselves. Had a lot of time to smoke and joke about how our time was being wasted. Two hours, I was personally detained on two occasions, and searched four times. My bike was searched three times. Not once was a cause given. This is on a character who has no criminal charges and has been trying to improve relations with SD.
- Note the above did not include any of the attending officers, as they would flee from the vicinity after they had searched someone because they did not know how to justify other than a blanket 'Highway Enforcement, we can do what we want' on a DIRT ROAD.
- After SD withdrew we were able to continue our RP rather quickly, and had more IC reasons to pursue justice for SD overreach.
Bearing in mind your officers attack people for IC recording, here's an ooc one; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwqcBekHgo&t=2s
This is the standard of RP we get from SD players. Note the laughing officers, the refusal to provide information to be held accountable, the gun shoved in the face of a compliant unarmed man who represented no threat to the dozens of officers present, and the shrill unprofessionalism of the officer who represents the standard we are treated with. Daily. For context I worked for the RCMP for 2 years before joining the military, I can assure you no station would accept this standard of conduct. One higher on the threat wheel of a compliant man you outnumber is not an MP5. The IRL equivalent of SED have a HIGHER STANDARD OF CONDUCT than the rank and file. It is not fun for us as players to be getting screeched at or treated this way to feed a power trip.
7. What would you have done differently from both the perspective of SD and your own?
We would very much like to RP more. Even adversarial RP that doesnt involve Powergaming and 'ooc' searches endorsed by SD leadership would be wonderful. We would very much like to be allowed to RP with an investigation that prompted this kind of response. God what I wouldnt give to talk to a detective! We know the Meta involved with the shaving of the kidnapped officer. Clappers shoot up Blaine County daily and the officer was unharmed. You have bigger fish to fry, but even then, hey lets consider having a talk? Generally ignoring US Law to troll and powergame doesnt make it fun to RP with your faction. Our evening was wasted, and now I have to write up another five IC IA reports.
8. What are you hoping to accomplish by sending this feedback to us?
Understand that we are exhausted of the double standard. We rp plenty, have a lot going on and a lot of interacting to do on things that matter to us. No, not crime, MC RP. We are not clappers, period. We have a charter, and lore to that effect. Our written objective is to avoid negative interactions with SD, but your own leadership dont care to learn in the slightest about the only large faction in their jurisdiction. I would LOVE to share it.
I have been trying for ten months to lower the toxicity between Lost and SD only to have SD leadership punish people for RPing with us. Let them be people. Robots are not interesting. I'm sure you have all kinds of interesting characters who I would like to meet, but SD has been behaving straight up toxic and using Meta knowledge to blame the actions of a couple members on the entire faction. I for one dont want my whole play time wasted on an SD power trip, many of us are bored of it. I would hope to see improvement and engagement from SD, and not snide comments while you drive off. We will ensure our members maintain a high standard, consider engaging? Your faction has 75 people, ours tops out at 30 and we only have 25. We have a dozen cars lined up behind us at each stop. Does this sound even passingly realistic to you? W cops will W and charge stack, its why your characters are as disliked if not more disliked as their irl equivalents.
In parting I offer some light reading. Note that suppression tactics still must include enforcement of actual laws. Excerpt https://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/research/r161-eng.shtml;
Gang Suppression
This strategy shifts the focus from the causes of gang development to its most problematic characteristics: criminal behaviour. In the U.S., there have been literally hundreds of specialized modifications in law enforcement, prosecution, adjudication, intelligence gathering, and laws themselves targeting gang-related crime. Suppression tactics include tactical patrols by law enforcement, vertical prosecution by District Attorney's and intensive supervision by probation departments (Fritsch, Caeti, & Taylor, 1999). In general it includes the arrest, prosecution, and incarceration of gang members. Suppression tactics have also taken the form of “crackdowns”, sharp increases in law enforcement resources applied to the previously under-enforced laws, with a clear goal of enhancing general deterrence of the misconduct (Fritsch et al., 1999; Sherman, 1990). Although crackdowns at first appear to be effective, they are frequently followed by a return to pre-intervention levels of crime (Sherman, 1990).
Not all gang suppression programs have taken the form of crackdowns. Some programs, such as the Operation Safe Streets program in Los Angeles, have adopted a technique in which only hard-core gang members are targeted (Fritsch et al., 1999). Others, such as the Tri-Agency Resource Gang Enforcement Team (TARGET) in Westminster, California have focused on information sharing and intelligence gathering to identify, arrest, and successfully prosecute gang members (Cook, 1993).
The effectiveness of suppression programs is unknown as they have not been rigorously evaluated to this point. However, most studies of areas where gang suppression tactics have been used have not found a decrease in gang problems (Klein, 1995). One of the most unsuccessful examples of a police suppression program was Operation Hammer, based out of Los Angeles in 1988. In this program, approximately 1000 police officers took to the streets on a Friday night and again on Saturday arresting likely gang members on a number of offences. In total, 1,454 arrests were made. However, 1,350 of those arrested were later released with no formal charges being filed (Fritsch et al., 1999). Almost half of those arrested were not gang members. In the end, only 60 felony arrests were made and charges were filed in only 32 instances (Spergel, 1995). Furthermore, following these sweeps it was noted that not only did hundreds of youths join gangs, but citizens actually began to sympathize with them (Stinchcomb, 2002).
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