[ROLEPLAY FEEDBACK] GND traffic stop - 03/OCT/2025

[Cleetus Johnson]

Roleplay Feedback

1. What's your player name? Cleetus Johnson
2. Do you know any names of LSSD members involved in your situation? Cole Lawless
3. When did this situation occur? 03/OCT/2025

4. Can you list down at least three good or bad things from our side in this situation?

1. One person should not have access to enough IC avenues to completely control any situation that arises
2. The traffic stop initially was fine

5. Can you list down at least three good or bad things from your side in this situation?

1. I did not allow him to complete the K9 Rp, instead I got out and surrendered my fire arm as I knew where the situation would go.

6. Can you provide an accurate description of the events that unfolded? (add any footage you may have to back any claims up)

I was pulled over for speeding, the IA conclusion says the speed was 186, however this was never given to me at the traffic stop.
After asking if I had a gun in the car, I said no. I had committed no crimes that day, and was I think checking if banks were open. However ICly GND would not have any knowledge of that, even if they seen me go into a bank, there are legitimate reasons to enter a bank. Additionally, the firearm had been in the glove box the entire time, so they did not see it on me.

OOCly I know there are restriction to K9 deployment, and for good reason. I believe it is something like REDACTED IC PROTOCOLS, you can do an open air sniff. REDACTED. There was no IC evidence that I had a .50, and unless GND has some sort of special rules in place I see no reason for this sniff. These are the situations that make all crims quit the server. There were 24 people online last night, do to most of us quitting specifically because of the insanely over powered methods GND is able to use. There are no checks and balances when one person can have access to secret case files, claim there is something in there that warrants a sniff, leave to deploy their own K9, and return to force a search of your vehicle. What is my only option at this point? To evade? We are put into situations where our only option is to run, which is not fun to some of us. Especially when one persons Kamacho does 240, there is already a heli, a 5 units behind you.

I tried to keep this mainly IC, submitting my first ever internal affairs report since joining the server 4 years ago. My hope was this would be taken seriously and reviewed, hopefully enacting some sort of change to balance these interactions. The response stated no wrong doing, citing that I was traveling at 184 kilometers per hour, which provided clear and legitimate grounds for a traffic stop under department policy. In regards to the K9 deployment they stated:
"Department policy allows the use of a K9 in situations where there is reasonable cause or credible information suggesting possible risk or the presence of contraband."

What was the reasonable cause or credible information? Is it just my existence as a crim and being in a gang? Is that credible information that I had a firearm at this specific traffic stop?

7. What would you have done differently from both the perspective of SD and your own?
There needs to be some sort of balance. Do not allow GND to also be K9, and IA command. There is absolutely no recourse to this separate entity that is able to operate completely in secret with a separate website and everything.
GND should need to request K9 from an experienced handler who can then have an IC way of confirming this is a valid open air sniff, introducing a system of checks and balances to ensure GND is not just looking for wins and bullying crims off the server with their overpowered level of control over every situation.

From my end, I could have been more careful to ensure I was driving the speed limit when I had a gun in the glovebox. I would say just not drive with a gun at all, however the state of the server really doesn't allow for that, as it has migrated to a pretty heavily PVP focused state currently.

8. What are you hoping to accomplish by sending this feedback to us?
I'm hoping that we can lessen some of the control GND has over situations. There are virtually no interactions with GND that do not result in an arrest. They will always pull you out, pull out their K9 if there isn't enough PC for them to just straight pull you out, or call PD to show up who will have far less RP and just push their cruiser in front of you, reach in your window and drag you from the vehicle.

There is no winning, there is no existing unless you are completely obeying the laws and not carrying anything illegal, which is completely unreasonable to ask of people who are PLAYING A VIDEO GAME and trying to RP as a crim.

[Wiley Reno]

Los Santos County Sheriff's Department "A TRADITION OF SERVICE"

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• Re: [ROLEPLAY FEEDBACK] GND traffic stop - 03/OCT/2025
  
  First off, I'd like to thank you on behalf of the Sheriff's Department for submitting this roleplay feedback. Oftentimes, members of the community let their frustrations with law enforcement factions build up instead of addressing them through the channels provided.
  
  We strive to make every attempt to consider the other perspective in these roleplay feedback forms, but at the moment, it's a little difficult to see how your experiences in the specific situation link to your conclusions. To ensure a comprehensive response, I'll try to address everything I assume could be a complaint.
  
  Spoiler

  "I was pulled over for speeding, the IA conclusion says the speed was 186, however this was never given to me at the traffic stop."
  
  Unfortunately, this is IC. We have no OOC or IC regulation requiring that players be informed what speed they are being pulled over for until they are cited formally for it.
  Spoiler

  "OOCly I know there are restriction to K9 deployment, and for good reason. I believe it is something like REDACTED IC GUIDELINES, you can do an open air sniff. REDACTED. There was no IC evidence that I had a .50, and unless GND has some sort of special rules in place I see no reason for this sniff. These are the situations that make all crims quit the server. There were 24 people online last night, do to most of us quitting specifically because of the insanely over powered methods GND is able to use. There are no checks and balances when one person can have access to secret case files, claim there is something in there that warrants a sniff, leave to deploy their own K9, and return to force a search of your vehicle. What is my only option at this point? To evade? We are put into situations where our only option is to run, which is not fun to some of us. Especially when one persons Kamacho does 240, there is already a heli, a 5 units behind you."
  
  It is easy to understand your frustration when LEOs do things that you think are not within guidelines. That said, what was it that you think the deputy did that wasn't within guidelines? As you stated yourself, you surrendered a firearm in the car willingly. An open-air sniff was not conducted.
  Spoiler

  "I tried to keep this mainly IC, submitting my first ever internal affairs report since joining the server 4 years ago. My hope was this would be taken seriously and reviewed, hopefully enacting some sort of change to balance these interactions. The response stated no wrong doing, citing that I was traveling at 184 kilometers per hour, which provided clear and legitimate grounds for a traffic stop under department policy. In regards to the K9 deployment they stated:
  "Department policy allows the use of a K9 in situations where there is reasonable cause or credible information suggesting possible risk or the presence of contraband."
  
  What was the reasonable cause or credible information? Is it just my existence as a crim and being in a gang? Is that credible information that I had a firearm at this specific traffic stop?"
  
  
  Again, the open-air sniff was not conducted. You willingly surrendered a firearm from the car.
  Spoiler

  "There needs to be some sort of balance. Do not allow GND to also be K9, and IA command. There is absolutely no recourse to this separate entity that is able to operate completely in secret with a separate website and everything."
  
  GND, K9, and IA Command are all overseen by several layers of faction leadership, Legal Faction Management, and IC government oversight. They do not operate in secret, and everything documented on other websites must be documented through the Eclipse RP government website (this forum).
  Spoiler

  "GND should need to request K9 from an experienced handler who can then have an IC way of confirming this is a valid open air sniff, introducing a system of checks and balances to ensure GND is not just looking for wins and bullying crims off the server with their overpowered level of control over every situation."
  
  GND Investigators are ICly independently certified and trained through K9. These are generally not guidelines for which we allow OOC corruption. If an abuse of K9 was reported to us, the person would be punished and access revoked. There have, thus far, been no examples of this happening. Your situation is also not an example, as no open-air sniff was conducted.
  Spoiler

  "I'm hoping that we can lessen some of the control GND has over situations. There are virtually no interactions with GND that do not result in an arrest. They will always pull you out, pull out their K9 if there isn't enough PC for them to just straight pull you out, or call PD to show up who will have far less RP and just push their cruiser in front of you, reach in your window and drag you from the vehicle."
  
  SD, as a faction, has a vested interest in allowing criminal roleplayers to develop their RP further, within reason. Generally, the more sophisticated the criminal roleplayer develops their game, the better the experience we have as LEOs. Generally, LEOs are not granted corruption permissions on the grounds of conducting unlawful searches or arresting you without cause. If you were to report an incident of this, they would be punished.
  Many times, other reports are similar to this. There is a claim of an overarching issue of wrongdoing in the faction, but upon review of individual cases, no wrongdoing is found. This is not because IA Command is corrupt, and it isn't because executive staff and LFM are complicit in constant cover-ups. The reason that this disconnect happens is because we, as LEO players, cannot, through OOC means, give you the answers as to why LEOs are operating the way they are. If every time a criminal player came to us with an issue of being searched when they didn't believe there was cause, then very quickly, criminals would ICly figure out how to avoid law enforcement action. You are meant to discover those reasons IC.
  
  In the future, before making feedback, I would recommend that your situation actually show the claim you are making. Reviewing feedback about open-air sniffs can't get us very far when there was, in fact, no sniff conducted.
  
  Whether or not the investigator intended to deploy the K9 for an open-air sniff or not, GND and K9 protocols were reviewed during the course of our investigation into your feedback. Through this investigation, we found a discontinuity between the two divisions' protocols, which did not align with the guidelines set by Legal Faction Management. This error was not present in the protocols for long, and has since been amended, ensuring that there is no mistake as to what the faction's authority is when it comes to the usage of K9 alt-RP.
  
  Thanks,

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• From
  
  
  Commander Wiley Reno,
  Bureau Commander,
  Administrative and Professional Standards,
  Los Santos County Sheriff's Department